Um a reason why scouting and military shouldnt look alike is because they are both under national law permitted to wear a uniform. They are the only two organizations with that priviledge so they'd have to look different.
Another reason why is if you read in the policies it is often stressed that Boy Scouts is not a para military organization (I know you know this I'm just spillin out facts I've read ) and other stuff like that.
My uncle is an Eagle Scout and it helped him in the military. I believe the reason why it helps you is because scouting talks alot about citizenship to your nation and alot of scouting values fit the constitiution. An example of that is that the Eagle and Sheild on the Scout Symble stands for Freedom and a scouts willingness to defend that Freedom.
jfmod wrote:Am I reading too much into the comments of a few, or is their a wide concern within Scouting about "looking like the military"?
Or are these few just showing their anti-military bias?
Actually, you're very close to the bullseye but shooting from the wrong side of the target. The fact is that anti-military bias exists, much more so outside Scouting than within it. We are not the military and it is in our best interest to make sure that those who would identify us in that way have as little fuel for the fire as possible.
I agree with the expense of the pants. We have boys in out Troop that simply can not afford 40-50 for a pair of pants. Sorry I resent having to pay that for mine. Our troop decided that dark blue jeans were ok. No camo, no wind jamers. Nice jeans or jean shorts.
Most troops don't force their scouts to buy/wear the full uniform. Most only require the shirt. Usually after they have been in scouts for a few years they buy the pants/shorts, etc. However I feel that for an Eagle BOR they must wear the Full Uniform.
Our troop has a uniform exchange program...when a kid grows out of a uniform they turn it in... that way we can help out the kids that aren't as fortunate as some! That way more kids have the full uniform.
If a troop can decide what a uniform is or is not. (It is spelled out in the Boy Scout Handbook) Where do you draw the line? Can troop also change the following methods also? Ideals Patrols Outdoor Programs Advancement Personal Growth Leadership Development
According to the SM handbook a scout does not have to have a uniform to be a scout. BUT leaders should be in uniform. If a person cannot afford the uniform, that is one thing. But I have given up stuff for scouting, time and monies, because I think it is worth it, if the program is followed.
I realize I am an adult(sometimes) and have quit growing(except my stomach) but I have had the same 2 uniform Shirt sand 1 pair of Pants for 12 years. I have gone through several pair of shorts but my stuff gets hard use. ANd three Jamborees are in the mix and one Philmont Expedition and 4 Wood Badge Courses. The thing is the stuff is really durable. AS the Old Timex Commercial goes " It takes a Lickin and keeps on Tickin"
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OH I believe they should have the shirt. I had to buy a new one but after my pants and socks and shorts out grew me my parents dont want to buy me new ones they say go buy green pants from khols its cheaper lol. I guess its because I grew sooo much soo quick lol. I went from 4 foot to 6 foot in about a year hehe. Anyway I do feel you should have a shirt, bolo, patches ect. But I think pants should be optional.
Thats just my opinion please don't take it to heart.
Brian If a troop can pick there own uniform, what other parts of the aims of scouting can they change also?
Ideals Patrols Outdoor Programs Advancement Personal Growth Leadership Development
can they say, this patrol thing is not what we expected, we are not going to have patrols? Or what if a troop decides that getting Life is to easy, (Advancement) can they add requirements for that rank? In short where does not madness end
Brian Another thought! I am full of them tonight! You are in the band, right, most bands that perform and prades and halftimes at football games, they are all in uniform. How would they look if they all wore different cuts, colors of pants? Why doesn't the football team allow different pants or the baseball team?
I think you are right because when is the last time you seen a football, baseball, basketball, soccer player or band member play without all the parts of the uniform. in our troop we have told the kids and adults to have green pants but not the OFFICAL uniform pants because of the cost. but then I have a child in scouts and in band and another on playing basketball and I understand the cost of uniforms but I will have my kids in uniform because we buy all kinds of junk for birthdays so why not throw in a pair of uniform pants instead of another gamecube. then Christmas comes along wow another time to slip something scouting in instead of a bunch of games for the new xbox game they couldnt live without. wow we have just saved money because when we give scouting gifts at these times they seem to last longer than the toys we buy. after the first year most boys will havean Offical class A uniform because he most of the time has chosen scouting and is happy being a scout. now to tell a child or a family that cant afford a complete uniform that they cannot be a scout is the worst thing we as adult leaders can do. I will have someone go find this child a uniform shirt as long as he stays in scouts we will find uniform parts for this family. Now tell someone to try that with sports or band and find out how many will be around? Just a little bit of my wisdom of scouting.