Sorry, I'm a little late to the conversation, here.
Quailman wrote:....(the DAC) told me that she should be included on Palm BORs. I cannot find this anywhere in the literature. This section of the forum, and the Guide to Advancement, includes Eagle Palms with the ranks leading up to Eagle. No mention is made of including district or council representatives on Palm BORs in the GTA.
Has anyone here ever heard this? Is there a citation? .... Since there were several MCs in attendance for lower rank BORs, we went ahead and held one for him. If we have to include the DAC it adds a layer of logistics that I'd rather not deal with.
Yes; you are correct
; and your DAC is wrong
. Period. Eagle Palm BORs are identical
--and I do mean, identical
-- to those for Tenderfoot through Life. (Ref: Guide To Advancement, 18.104.22.168 Particulars for Tenderfoot Through Life Ranks (or Palms)
IOW, she has no business sitting (in) on any unit-level BOR... i.e., Tenderfoot through Life ranks, or Palms. (Of course, ESBORs and Appeals (for any rank or Palm) are not "unit-level".)
Frankly, I kinda-sorta got the feeling she already knows it, too. Either that, or she has no business being the DAC (yet) because she doesn't even know the basics. When she told you that she "should be included" on Eagle Palm BORs, was her tone such that she inferred she "must be included"? Or, was it such that she would "like to be included"? Did she say anything about being an active BOR member? Or, was it to be strictly as and observer?Eagle Scout Palm Application
- First, use the latest Eagle Scout Palm Application, 58-709 (2008 Edition); it is fillable and savable.
- Second, once the Scout passes the Palm BOR, fill out and sign three originals:
- send one the the council;
- keep one for the unit records; and
- give one to the Scout.
- Third, your job is done. Well, almost... IMO, give the council 30 days (maximum) to verify, approve and/or reply.
- Now, yes... technically speaking... the Scout Executive (not his/her designee) has to approve Palm Applications. But, come on... I mean, what's s/he gonna do? Not sign it? What choice does s/he have, really? Well, there are two exceptions (aren't there always?):
- If the Scout passes the BOR, then it's 99.99% a done deal. The only way the SE could deny this would be if he has written statements (or other documented evidence) that the ULs/MCs are pencil-whipping a Scout's Palm Application; --OR--
- As already noted in prior threads... if any MBs listed on the Palm Appl. show up in ScoutNet as having been already "counted" on his ESRA, or, the council's copy(ies) of any prior Palms, then the Registrar is supposed to kick it back to you, with an explanation. AFAIC, this is the ONLY reason for having this form.