Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

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Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby Fibonacci » Wed Mar 03, 2010 7:48 pm

We have a recent Eagle Scout with a strong desire to earn all the palms he can before he ages out. Due to holidays, a busy Scoutmaster, and his own life, he will have only a few days of flexibility to complete the requirements for his Silver Palm, have his Scoutmaster conference, and participate in a Board of Review before his birthday.

I know that it is okay to have an Eagle Board of Review after the 18th birthday, but can a Scout have a Palm Board of Review after his 18th birthday? The Advancement book makes it sound like he can.
"Scouts who have completed all requirements for a rank prior to their 18th birthday should submit their application and be reviewed and recognized within three months after that date." p 29 Advancement Committee Policy and Procedures 2002

Thanks for your guidance.
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby smtroop168 » Wed Mar 03, 2010 8:02 pm

I don't believe you can. Pg 21 of the current #33088 says

Boy Scout awards are for young men not yet 18....Any registered Boy scout may earn these awards until his 18th birthday.

Paul Wolf's site says that the BOR can be held after the 18th birthday. But I don't see the reference for that anywhere.


Your quote deals solely for the Eagle BOR
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby RWSmith » Wed Mar 03, 2010 9:13 pm

While the USSSP reference cited above does not cite the rule, Paul is correct. Here it is...

Eagle Scout Palm Application wrote:"The Boy Scout advancement plan of the Boy Scouts of America is for registered members from joining age until their 18th birthday. Members who have completed all requirements for advancement before their 18th birthday may be reviewed and recognized after that date."

Emphasis added. See: Eagle Scout Palm Application, No. 58-709
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby smtroop168 » Wed Mar 03, 2010 10:03 pm

Thanks...I missed that one. You would think that the rule would be included in the ACPP and/or BSA Requirements Book.
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby Cowboy » Thu Mar 04, 2010 12:16 am

Palms are not a rank, therefor are not advancements. That means that they must be earned prior to age 18, including the BoR. In My Opinion. Keep in mind that the palms were developed to keep boys active in Scouts until they turned 18 at which time they should (hopefully) roll over into an adult role at which time all youth insignia is removed from the uniform. The reasons that the Eagle BoR are allowed to be held after the 18th birthday are because that is the only BoR that normally does not take place in the Unit. Additionally, this is the only BoR that is dependant on people outside of the unit such as the application and records being submitted to council, verified, approved and sent to the DAC. In most Troops a boy can finish a lower rank requirement, hold an SMC and have a BoR all in the same night. A Palm is the same thing: Time, 5 Merit Badges, SMC, BoR. All things that can be arranged and prepared for.
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby smtroop168 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:40 am

Actually Palms are an advancement as you cannot earn one unless you have earned the previous advancement...e.g. you can't get a Bronze Palm unless you have advanced to Eagle and you can't earn a Gold Palm unless you have earned a Silver Palm. A Scout with a Silver Palm doesn't outrank one with a Gold although within their competitive spirit scouts like to say so.

The statement on the Palm application is pretty clear.

Also I guess a scout could have a Tenderfoot BOR after his 18th birthday if he completed all the requirements prior to it.
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby jr56 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 2:16 pm

Yes, Eagle Palms are advancement, and yes, if all other requirements have been met, the BOR can be held after the 18th birthday.
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby Fibonacci » Thu Mar 04, 2010 3:57 pm

Thank you.
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby AquilaNegra2 » Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:52 am

http://www.scouting.org/about/factsheet ... couts.aspx -- Ranks are Tenderfoot, Second Class, First Class, Star, Life, Eagle. The highest advancement rank in Scouting is Eagle.

Palms are awards, not rank. Eagle with Bronze Palm is not an advancement. The Palm is an award. Eagle is the rank, whether there are no palms or ten palms.

Merit badges, badges of rank, and Eagle Palms may be earned by a registered Boy Scout, Varsity Scout, or Venturer. He may earn these awards until his 18th birthday. (Note that Eagle Palm is separate from badges of rank.)
[http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/BoyScouts/AdvancementandAwards/eagle.aspx]
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby wagionvigil » Sat Mar 06, 2010 9:00 am

On his 18th BD a Scout is no longer a Youth in the Boy Scouts and Must fill out an adult application to stay in the Program.
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby razor_strop » Wed Mar 16, 2011 10:37 am

Not to beat a dead horse, but the new Journey to Excellence FAQ, located at http://www.scouting.org/filestore/mission/JTE_FAQs-Unit.pdf, has this to say about Eagle Palms and advancement:

"40. Does the Eagle Palm count as an advancement for a Boy Scout in a troop or Varsity Scout in a team?

No. Eagle Palms are not considered advancements, even though the Scout goes through a board of review to earn it."
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby PaulSWolf » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:42 pm

Maybe this will clarify things:

1. Eagle Palms are NOT, technically, rank advancements. They are awards. However, they ARE still considered part of the "Boy Scout Advancement Plan".

2. All advancements and awards for Scouts must be EARNED before the Scout's 18th birthday.

3. Regardless of point 2, Boards of Review for Eagle Palms may be held AFTER the Scout's 18th birthday, and Eagle Palms may then be awarded, if all other requirements were completed before the birthday. That is, as RW pointed out above (on Wed Mar 03, 2010, 8:13 pm), specifically stated on the Eagle Scout Palm Application (58-709):

"The Boy Scout advancement plan of the Boy Scouts of America is for registered members from joining age until their 18th birthday. Members who have completed all requirements for advancement before their 18th birthday may be reviewed and recognized after that date."
The Application can be seen here: http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/58-709_WB.pdf
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby razor_strop » Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:56 pm

Thanks for clarifying, Paul (and previous posters).
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby RWSmith » Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:10 pm

PaulSWolf wrote:....Regardless of point 2, Boards of Review for Eagle Palms may be held AFTER the Scout's 18th birthday, and Eagle Palms may then be awarded, if all other requirements were completed before the birthday....

NOT to further confuse the situation, BUT TO FURTHER CLARIFY...

    A final advancement BOR for any Rank or Palm may be held after the Scout turns 18. For example, if a "First Class" Scout completes all requirements for advancement to "Star" the day before he turns 18, then he is not only entitled to, but should be given his BOR for "Star" (w/i three months, of course).
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Re: Palm Board of Review AFTER 18th B'day?

Postby smtroop168 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:31 pm

And since Palms are not ranks, they do not fall under the BOR appeal process should a scout not pass. This would occur mostly when a BOR determines that the scout has not met req 3:
"Make a satisfactory effort to develop and demonstrate leadership ability."
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