WeeWillie wrote:My Scouts have done projects for the National Forest Service, National Park Service, Bureau of Land Management, The Nature Conservancy, and AZ State Parks. In each situation the agency had the materials and just needed labor and welcome organizations such as Scouts to do work that they otherwise have to pay a contractor. No fund raising needed.
WeeWillie wrote:Mom and Dad are a bigger problem than the agency rangers!
FrankJ wrote:I hear ya. If you talk to any troop worth being in, you will get the same stories. You will will get stories of drive by parents only stopping long enough for Johnie to get in & out of the car, if that. I almost prefer the former. You also see parents who are leaders gone before the ink dries on eagle app. Most are between the extremes.
You also have a national policy of active=national dues paid. POR means listed in position. These position undoubtedly comes from appeals from troops having unrealistic expectations in the other direction.
Despite all it flaws. BSA has one of the best youth programs going.
WeeWillie wrote:By the way, my Scout who collaberated with his ELSP attempted suicide because of the unrelenting pressure to suceed. (Not just in Scouts)
FrankJ wrote:You also have a national policy of active=national dues paid. POR means listed in position.
smtroop168 wrote:FrankJ wrote:You also have a national policy of active=national dues paid. POR means listed in position.
These are both being tweeked and should have some different wording in the next version of the ACPP currently in the review stages.
FrankJ wrote:This is my observation & opinion. I have no direct connection with the folks at national & do not speak for them. In in the advancement book definition of active, there are three elements. 1) registration fees paid, 2)not dismissed for conduct, 3) engaged by leadership. Assuming the scout is not dismissed for conduct, element 1 is the one in his control. 3 is the responsibility of the leadership not the the scout. So for the normal situation it boils down to fees paid.
As a every day matter. If you are using a reasonable definition of active & not using it as a road block, it will held up until it gets appealed to national. Most people will read the handbook & understand that active means some kind of meaningful participation in the troop.
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