alex gregory wrote:Excepting project approval etc., I think all his paperwork can get done after he turns 18.
Bill Pitcher wrote:I agree with smtroop168. ALL REQUIREMENTS (which means all MB's and the project report . . . 2 of the 6 requirements) MUST BE COMPLETED BY THE TIME THE SCOUT TURNS 18. Only the EBoR can be held within 3 months of his 18th birthday. I hear this all of the time, councils letting the scout take longer to do the paperwork. It's only allowed if an extension is granted by National BSA.
smtroop168 wrote:alex gregory wrote:Excepting project approval etc., I think all his paperwork can get done after he turns 18.
The only thing that can be done after he turns 18 is the Eagle BOR.
NOTE: The Application Form and the Service Project Workbook do NOT have to be completed and/or signed prior to the candidate's 18th birthday, only the REQUIREMENTS need to be done. The top of the application form contains the following statement:
"This application is to be completed after you have completed all requirements for the Eagle Scout rank....When you have completed this application, sign it and submit it to your unit leader"
By the Scout's signature, it says:
"On my honor as a Scout/Venturer, all statements on this application are true and correct. All requirements were completed prior to my 18th birthday."
In "The 12 Steps from Life to Eagle" on the last page of the workbook, it says:
"3. It is imperative that all requirements for the Eagle Scout rank be completed prior to the candidate's 18th birthday. When all requirements except the board of review for the rank of Eagle, including the leadership service project, have been completed, the enclosed Eagle Scout Rank Application must be completed and sent to the council service center promptly."
Everything says REQUIREMENTS must be completed before the deadline, and the application be completed and submitted AFTER the requirements are complete.
The unit leader DOES have to sign and date the application, and the project workbook, but that date does NOT have to be before the deadline, so long as all the dates listing when the requirements were completed is listed. The date that the Unit Leader's Conference was held is a separate entry from the leader's signature date. The signature dates in the workbook are separate from the entry for the date the project was completed.
Scouter&mom wrote:The project is completed when the SM and the benefiting organization rep sign the book saying it is completed!.. These two and the Scout sign and date the project book as completed.
There's nothing that says the Scout must come "for an Eagle SMC, (with) his Eagle Application with reference names and all his "paperwork" like project book which should be signed by the sponsor, MB stuff, Statement of Ambitions, List of Leadership Positions etc. " SHOULD he - YES, if possible. MUST he - NOsmtroop168 wrote:Paul I see what you're saying and the application would have to be after he turns 18 if he's having his SMC the evening before. Although, when the scout comes for an Eagle SMC, he should bring his Eagle Application with reference names and all his "paperwork" like project book which should be signed by the sponsor, MB stuff, Statement of Ambitions, List of Leadership Positions etc.
Doing this all before 18, keeps the OMG of not being able to find some "paperwork" to a minimum. Signature of the CC and Council Verification would be after 18.
And just to stir the pot, the ESLP is not "complete" until the EBOR says so.
PaulSWolf wrote:There's nothing that says the Scout must come "for an Eagle SMC, (with) his Eagle Application with reference names and all his "paperwork" like project book which should be signed by the sponsor, MB stuff, Statement of Ambitions, List of Leadership Positions etc. " SHOULD he - YES, if possible. MUST he - NO That's what I said...should not must. If the scout is being helped through the process, he has his paperwork filled out well before 18
As for the ESLP being " complete" only when the EBOR says so, while the final project approval comes at the EBOR, all the EBOR says is "Yes, it met the requirements", or "No, it didn't." Since the EBOR can be held after the 18th birthday, saying the project isn't "complete" until then would be a catch-22, since the project must be complete before the 18th birthday. I think that is what I was trying to say, although I guess not very well, that the EBOR has final approval not the Sponsor or SM. we had one recently where Dad and Mom did the project and the sponsor was happy, the SM (who was not in attendance) signed because the sponsor was happy and the EBOR did not "approve" the project
Even if the EBOR (after the 18th birthday) turns down the Scout or just the project, the Scout will usually be given an extension past his birthday by the National office to complete the project or satisfy other conditions imposed by the EBOR, on the grounds of "circumstances beyond the Scouts control." If the scout is turned down, the appeal process kicks in. I thought National gives extensions to complete the requirements if they can't be done before 18 not after and I thought "circumstances beyond the Scouts control" was not used for I did a poor job on my EP so give me more time but for medical emergencies like a kid here who was in a severe car wreck and hospitalized for months.
alex gregory wrote:A young man gets all the substantive requirements completed after a heroic push to finish within days of turning 18, and be denied his Eagle because of procedural forms?!?
For anyone who thinks that is really what scouting is all about I suggest that you take another look at the Scout laws, and pay close attention to trustworthy, loyal, helpful, friendly, courteous and kind.
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