FrankJ wrote:If the SM signed off on the leadership position then that requirement is complete. You can not have the scout go back and do more leadership
Of course you can. In this case it was clear he was not in a recognized leadership position for the required time. The BOR is not a rubber stamp. If it finds legitimate issues it can turn down the scout. What is required is that they document the issue and what is required to correct it. If the troop has done it's job, a scout who is not ready should not get to the BOR. That is why a scout is rarely turned downed out the BOR.
Wasn't there a court case about a scout being turned down for eagle because he did not believe in God?
Using this logic the BOR can question all requirements that a SM has already signed and turn down an Eagle candidate if they feel they did not satisfy the requirement even though the SM has already signed off that the scout did.
This is adding to the requirements for the rank.
Questioning the SM's performance is part of the review
evmori wrote:Requiring a Scout appear before the EBOR in uniform is adding to the requirements, hence forbidden. A uniform is not required to be a member of the BSA.
RMM wrote:evmori wrote:Requiring a Scout appear before the EBOR in uniform is adding to the requirements, hence forbidden. A uniform is not required to be a member of the BSA.
I had not thought of it that way. I think I can see your point. Yet am struggling with this one. Should not the scout come to any BOR appropriately dressed? If the scout showed up in a bathing suit and bare foot, would the scout be ready to advance to the next rank?
Something to discuss at the next Council Advancement Committee meeting.
Mrw wrote:Please look a little more carefully at what I said. I said that although we ought to expect a boy to show up at his EBOR in uniform, if he does not, he should still have the BOR, but be asked why he did not wear his uniform.
That would be very telling as to his motivations and his pride in the program.
I am the one in our troop who will argue with the CC about allowing a boy to have a BOR if he is not in uniform. I do generally draw the line at no BOR without a book though, because that is how we can ascertain he actually has all the requirements signed off. We also can ask about why something might have taken a particularly long time and help set reasonable goals for the next rank if we can see the book and see just where the boy is.
ronin718 wrote:While some might argue requiring the boy to show for his BOR might be considered adding a requirement, I think it falls under the "demonstrate Scout spirit". This is a Scouting activity, in a Scouting environment, so expecting the participants to be in uniform is not an unreasonable concept.
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