smtroop168 wrote:"Fred"....Wagion is a huge proponent of the BSA automatically moving scouts at age 14 into Ventures. Cubs 6-10; BS 10-13; Ventures 14-21
We do not form a Senior Patrol..not enough scouts to do that. We have moved our 2 Eagles into JASM positions and they serve as help to the SPL/ASPL since they held those postions. The rest of the troop is split into troops mixed with new and old scouts.
Billiken wrote:The oldest Scout in our troop turns 17 in January.
He earned his Eagle in Feb 2010.
After his ECOH I told him he owed the troop 1 year of service in a non-SPL, ASPL, or PL position(s).
How did I do this?
Scout in question in my son.
smtroop168 wrote:Were there any car keys attached to this requirement?
Fred Johnson wrote:I hope my boys get into Venturing. And, I've recommended specific Venturing crews to our scouts. I also support creating a venture patrol in the troop if boys want extra high-adventure and/or more challenges.
I'm really wondering though about troops that create a special "senior scout patrol" as an honor patrol with special privileges and such. It's being strongly pushed as a new concept in our troop. I'd like to understand the issues.
Fred Johnson wrote:I did not mean the "older boy problem" at all. I'm familiar with it and how Venturing can be a great solution. I fully support Venturing.
My question is different though. And, I may not have titled this subject correctly. I should have called it more “Senior Scout Patrol” established through special selection and having special privileges. Several local troops use them (not ours) and one of our very very vocal scout parents is strongly pushing it.
- Does anyone use them?
- How does the concept mix with BSA rules / policies / concepts?
- (or better said) Can it exist within BSA rules / policies / concepts?
- How are the initial members of the senior scout patrol chosen?
- How are the members chosen in the future?
- Are they members of other patrols?
- How do they relate / interact with PLCs? Troop guides? Patrol leaders?
- What special privileges do they have?
There’s related issues with this that I’ll avoid wasting everyone’s time by discussing. I curious about this concept. Personally, I’d rather avoid it as I don’t see it in BSA’s program. But, others have used it and are using it. Now, I need to understand it so that we can adopt or reject it.
smtroop168 wrote:We don't. I don't use new Scout Patrols either or special 1st Class in a year programs. I integrate the new guys with the older ones and empower the older ones to teach (and sign off their books)the younger ones
There is literature in the old BSA handbooks about Senior Patrols and one of my uniforms has a "Senior Scout" Patch sewn on about the BSA one over the right pocket. We were the 3 Eagles who didn't bolt after getting our medals. We functioned as a patrol for campouts but we're "staff" advisors to the SPL and other PLs serving as quasi ASMs. I seem to recall we had our SM and one ASM for 75 scouts. Here's a sample of the patch
http://cgi.ebay.com/Boy-Scouts-America- ... 4aa6c2a72b
My guess is that troops that use Senior Patrols today as a retention tools for the older guys to allow them time away from the younger guys. Special privleges? Like what? Separate tents? Don't have to cook or clean?
So are they breaking any rules...no unless the Senior Patrol becomes a secret society. Does it work for them? Looks like it Will it work for your troop? Maybe.
smtroop168 wrote: Eagles who didn't bolt after getting our medals. We functioned as a patrol for campouts but we're "staff" advisors to the SPL and other PLs serving as quasi ASMs.
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