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Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby whitewolf » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:20 pm

At the 2010 Jambo, scouts had the opportunity to earn participation rockers. Can the scout wear them on his normal uniform? And if so, where?
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby philpisch » Tue Aug 17, 2010 3:45 pm

Removed my response in preference to Wagonvigil's response.
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby wagionvigil » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:00 pm

They may be worn around the Jamboree Patch in the :Position it is in on the Right SHoulder Placement
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby PaulSWolf » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:08 pm

There have been rockers or "wide game" patches similar to those (or larger) at prior Jamborees. They've ALWAYS been worn as supplements below the Jamboree Patch above the right pocket. This year's rockers should be worn surrounding the bottom portion of this year's patch.
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby philpisch » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:12 pm

I fully expect your right. Is there somewhere that documents it? Just curious. I removed my earlier response in preference for what Wagionvigil wrote.
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby wagionvigil » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:23 pm

It is just really common sense. You earn the rockers at the Jamboree and you cannot put them on a uniform until you arrive home so they go around your Janboree Patch AND the official placement of a NJ patch is the Right Shoulder Placement.
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby philpisch » Tue Aug 17, 2010 5:51 pm

Thanks. I'll do that with my son's Jamboree shirt. It seems reasonable as it is the official location for the jamboree patch.

I based my earlier answer on my readings to answer a related question. Our council has many many scouts wearing a large decorative panel of segments around a summer patch. It is centered on the lower right side of the shirt vertically half way between the belt and the bottom edge of the right pocket. Often by the time the scout ages out, the decoration is a foot or more in width.

I don't want to be the patch police, but I want my sons properly uniformed. Based on what I've read, the best option so that my son can show these segments (accomplishments) is to put them on the "back" of his merit badge sash centered around the camp patch. It fulfills the Insignia guide and doesn't look too flashing day to day.

Thanks for your answer.

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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby Cowboy » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:00 am

Off the top of my head I would question the patch below the pocket, but that is not my business. Just throwing this out there: Isn't the Jambo insignia suppose to be removed 6 months after the event? My son went this year, but we set him up with a specific Jambo uniform rather than taking all of his insignia off, Jambo on, Jambo off, home Troop back on, etc.
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby wagionvigil » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:07 am

Cowboy wrote:Off the top of my head I would question the patch below the pocket, but that is not my business. Just throwing this out there: Isn't the Jambo insignia suppose to be removed 6 months after the event? My son went this year, but we set him up with a specific Jambo uniform rather than taking all of his insignia off, Jambo on, Jambo off, home Troop back on, etc.


Cannot say I ever have seen that in print
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby razor_strop » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:27 am

wagionvigil wrote:...AND the official placement of a NJ patch is the Right Shoulder Placement.


WV, we had a couple boys from our troop attend the NJ. They're wearing the patch above their right chest pocket right now. Should they move it to the right shoulder sleeve as you mention above, and where does it go there?
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby PaulSWolf » Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:37 am

Cowboy wrote:Isn't the Jambo insignia suppose to be removed 6 months after the event? My son went this year, but we set him up with a specific Jambo uniform rather than taking all of his insignia off, Jambo on, Jambo off, home Troop back on, etc.
NO. The National Jamboree patch can be worn forever by anyone who was a registered staff member or registered participant at the Jamboree. It should be replaced with the most recent version if you attend another National Jamboree (as a registered participant or staffer). Although the Insignia Guide refers to the "Current" Jamboree patch, I've always interpreted the intent to be "The upcoming or most recently attended" Jamboree.

razor-strop wrote:WV, we had a couple boys from our troop attend the NJ. They're wearing the patch above their right chest pocket right now. Should they move it to the right shoulder sleeve as you mention above, and where does it go there?
No, the correct permanent placement is above the right pocket (if they attended as registered participants). I assume that's what Jerry meant (in front of the right shoulder).
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby wagionvigil » Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:00 am

Only Jamboree staff and Registered participants may wear a NJ patch and that placement is above the right pocket but below the shoulder. If you visited the Jamboree and bought or traded for a patch you may not wear it.
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby smtroop168 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:02 pm

wagionvigil wrote:Only Jamboree staff and Registered participants may wear a NJ patch and that placement is above the right pocket but below the shoulder. If you visited the Jamboree and bought or traded for a patch you may not wear it.


Wagion.....Can you wear it on a MB Sash? :lol: :lol:
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby philpisch » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:11 pm

I can only add links to where BSA reiterates what has already been stated in this discussion. The governing document is the BSA Insignia guide.
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Media/InsigniaGuide.aspx

The applicable part is the Jamboree sub-section.
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Media/InsigniaGuide/10I.aspx


Question about wearing it on the back of the sash... I'd wear it on the shirt if possible. The only other place to wear it is on the BACK of your merit badge sash with other temporary patches (non-rank). The guiding section is in the following link under "Excess Insignia" and "Temporary Insignia".
http://www.scouting.org/scoutsource/Media/InsigniaGuide/03.aspx
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby wagionvigil » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:29 pm

smtroop168 wrote:
wagionvigil wrote:Only Jamboree staff and Registered participants may wear a NJ patch and that placement is above the right pocket but below the shoulder. If you visited the Jamboree and bought or traded for a patch you may not wear it.


Wagion.....Can you wear it on a MB Sash? :lol: :lol:

Only if you can form a Trapazoid Triangle Pyrimid with it ROTFLMAO
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby RWSmith » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:55 pm

The following references official BSA policy (supplemental to the Insignia Guide), reposted to USSP from Mike Minter (who is a volunteer, like us):

    A Word About Jamboree Patches <-- Click on the link to go directly to this article on USSSP.

    ADVICE FROM 2010

    So, you came back from the Jamboree and want to know:

    "WHICH Badge Do I Wear and WHERE Do I Wear It?"

    Here's the information from the BSA's Jamboree Service. Much of this information has not changed since the last National Scout Jamboree -- but there are some SPECIAL INSIGNIA ITEMS to this Jamboree which makes updating this page essential. As the new insignia is rolled out and I have received permission to post illustrations, they will be added to this page:

    * The OFFICIAL Jamboree emblem is a three-inch diameter emblem in seven colors depicting the BSA's logo, a portion of the United States flag, an eagle, the letters "BSA" and 2010. Surrounding this design are the words "National Scout Jamboree" and "100 Years of Scouting". ALL OTHER EMBLEMS NOT CARRYING THIS COPYRIGHTED DESIGN -- staff emblems, special area emblems, activity emblems, Jamboree Shoulder Patch (JSP) emblems -- ARE NOT CONSIDERED THE OFFICIAL JAMBOREE EMBLEM.

    * The OFFICIAL Jamboree emblem is worn six months PRIOR, during the Jamboree, and FOR AN INDEFINITE PERIOD AFTER the Jamboree is over by youth and adults who have PARTICIPATED OR SERVED AS STAFF MEMBERS of the Jamboree. In other words, once you participated in or served as staff for this Jamboree, you may wear the emblem on your uniform until you participate or serve as staff for the NEXT Jamboree.

    * If you have PARTICIPATED or SERVED ON STAFF of a previous National Scout Jamboree, a World Jamboree, or an approved International Encampment Event, you may wear THAT emblem in the place of (but NOT IN ADDITION TO) the 2010 National Scout Jamboree emblem. In other words, ONLY ONE JAMBOREE EMBLEM (and any "segments" or "rockers" earned or received) IS WORN AT ANY GIVEN TIME ON THE FIELD UNIFORM. For BEST uniforming, however, one should wear the MOST RECENT JAMBOREE EMBLEM (and any "segments" or "rockers" earned or received) on the field uniform.

    * The OFFICIAL Jamboree emblem is a *registered trademark* of the BSA. While that did not stop some individuals from creating "knock offs" or "special tailored versions" of the emblem before this Jamboree (as in previous ones), there are ONLY THREE OFFICIAL JAMBOREE EMBLEMS for the 2010 National Scout Jamboree which may be worn on the field uniform.

    (at some point in time, I will post the official participant, adult and staff Jamboree emblems. I only have permission presently to post the participant Jamboree emblem -- I will be getting permission later to post the others).

    * If you VISITED the Jamboree at any time, you MAY wear the Jamboree visitor emblem. This emblem (to be shown later) is worn centered on the RIGHT POCKET of the uniform by Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Varsity Scouts, Venturers and adults who VISITED the Jamboree. THIS EMBLEM IS NOT TO BE WORN IN THE LOCATION DESIGNATED FOR JAMBOREE/INTERNATIONAL ENCAMPMENT INSIGNIA.

    * If you PARTICIPATED in the Jamboree as a youth or adult, or served as a member of the BSA's staff of the Jamboree (to include those military personnel participating in the Jamboree as staff members at the Jamboree headquarters, the Jamboree Department of Defense Joint Task Force, or as part of exhibitors (the Army Adventure Area, the Army Broadcast Service, International Exhibits, Relationships/Partnerships or at the Merit Badge Midway), you may wear the OFFICIAL Jamboree emblem for youth or adult one-inch above the "Boy Scouts of America", "Venturing - BSA" or "Sea Scouting - BSA" strip on your field uniform (or one inch above the interpreter strip(s). The ONLY emblems allowed to be worn in that position are one of the OFFICIAL Jamboree emblems as shown above.

    Youth members who have earned one or all of the "segments" or "rockers" offered may wear those segments in any order surrounding the official Jamboree emblem (this is the reason why the Jamboree emblem is worn one-inch above the "Boy Scouts of America" or other strip -- to allow for the segments to also be worn if desired without having to re-sew or otherwise move the Jamboree emblem).

    There are special items denoting this Centennial Jamboree:

    * A special "ring Jamboree emblem" to surround the World Crest emblem was designed for PARTICIPANTS and STAFF members attending this National Scout Jamboree. Like the Jamboree insignia, this special "Jamboree ring patch" which is designed to be worn with the World Crest insignia on the left side of the uniform shirt, may be worn up to SIX MONTHS PRIOR, DURING, and FOR AN INDEFINATE PERIOD AFTER THE JAMBOREE IS OVER by those PARTICIPANTS AND/OR STAFF MEMBERS OF THE 2010 NATIONAL SCOUT JAMBOREE. Scouts, Scouters, Venturers, Venturing leaders, volunteers and professionals who *visited* the Jamboree or did not go to the Jamboree MAY NOT WEAR this insignia -- it is a special incentive piece for those who attended and is considered "permanent wear" by those who have *participated* in the Centennial Jamboree.

    * A special set of Jamboree shoulder loops has also been designed for those Scouts and Scouters, participants and staff members to wear before, during and for SIX MONTHS AFTER the Jamboree has concluded. At the six month period, those special shoulder loops are to be replaced with the official shoulder loops denoting one's role in the Movement.

    * JSPs (Jamboree Shoulder Patches) are worn by participant and staff members for six months PRIOR to, during the Jamboree, and for six months AFTER the Jamboree has concluded. Therefore, on Feburary 4, 2011, those wearing JSPs should remove them and replace them with a current Council Shoulder Patch (CSP) representing the local Council *in which they are registered*. There is NO EXCEPTION for "OA Service Corps members", "Trading Post Staff members" or "professionals working as part of a subcamp or region camp" to continue wearing the JSP after Feburary 2011.

    * Likewise, special Jamboree Regional emblems worn by volunteers and professionals participating in the Jamboree may be worn for six months PRIOR to, during the Jamboree, and for six months AFTER the Jamboree has concluded. Afterwards, those emblems also must be removed and replaced with the current Regional emblem. Only those office-holders at the Area and Regional levels and those professionals employed within that Region wear Regional insignia.

    Other insignia:

    * If you or your Scout were fortunate to have received a special Chief Scout Executive emblem marking the Jamboree, treasure it! I would *strongly recommend* that you place it somewhere in storage as the Chief Scout Executive will once again distribute a very few of those emblems to Scouts, Scouters and visitors during the Jamboree. I would NOT wear it; however, if you choose to wear it, it is designed as a TEMPORARY patch and therefore should be worn centered on the right pocket of the field uniform.

    The special Chief Scout Executive emblem is identical to the official emblem he wears as the BSA's senior-most professional member. The difference is that centered on the bottom, above the words "Scout Executive" are the lettering "2010 NSJ".

    * Special "flaps" designed for the Jamboree will continue to be the rage again this Jamboree. Order of the Arrow members may choose to wear the special OA flap from THEIR LODGE or the current official OA flap representing THEIR LODGE. Like with the Regional and JSP insignia, they may wear special OA Service Corps or Lodge special Jamboree flaps for six months PRIOR to the Jamboree, during the Jamboree and for six months AFTER the Jamboree has concluded. They may NOT wear OA flaps from other lodges nor "spoof flaps" with the official uniform. Lodge flaps are worn over the right pocket flap of the Scout, Venturer or adult uniform.

    Flaps without the BSA's indicia should NOT be worn by youth nor adult members of the Boy Scouts of America.

    All flaps produced after 1976 have one or more of the BSA's "indicia" which IDs it as an official Order of the Arrow lodge flap. Many flaps produced before 1976 do not carry such indicia, and because of the thread design used during before the present, can be easily verified as OA flaps. However, present flaps produced by an OA lodge will contain one or more of the BSA's indicia to make it "official" TO WEAR (you can collect as many flaps -- official and unofficial, spoof or special issue -- as you care to. We are talking here _only_ about WEARING, not collecting or trading or possession).

    The BSA's indicia includes the lettering "W.W.W." denoting the flap as an official Order of the Arrow Lodge flap; the full-color or single-color fleur-de-lis(some flaps may have the fluer-de-lis double or triple-stitched into the emblem itself to 'hide it' -- if you hold it toward a light, one can see the emblem), and/or the wording "Boy Scouts of America" or "BSA". Just because the flap has an arrow on it, or is in the shape of a OA Lodge flap, or has the lettering "OA" does NOT make it an OFFICIAL OA Lodge flap.

    * ALL OTHER SPECIAL JAMBOREE INSIGNIA, to include special emblems given at action centers, the Conservation area, the Merit Badge midway, the Jamboree headquarters, purchased at one of the three trading posts, QBSA (the Scout-owned radio station operating at the Jamboree), the Venturing area, the Sea Scout area, the Relationships/Partnerships displays, the Army Adventure Area, the National Guard Area, Hometown News, Scuba and WaterPark, BMX areas, religious service areas, national partner firms and organizations, and things given or exchanged "just because you're there" are ALL CONSIDERED "TEMPORARY INSIGNIA" and should be worn, ONE AT A TIME, centered on the right pocket of the field uniform or suspended from the right pocket button of the field uniform. They are NOT to be worn in the Jamboree emblem location; nor on the right shoulder below the US Flag emblem. These emblems will become collectors' items fairly soon and it is recommended that they be stored instead of displayed. However, if one chooses to display them, they are fine to wear on patch vests, blankets and other personal items of the Scout or Scouter.

    The National Scout Jamboree will bring in thousands of visitors daily, to include fellow Scouts and Scouters from all over the nation and during this Jamboree, visitors from around the world. It is important to remember that the official Jamboree insignia is restricted to those who have actually traveled to participate in or serve as staff members of the Jamboree. The wearing of the Jamboree visitors emblem by everyone visiting should provide a good compromise to those many Scouts and Scouters wanting to participate but had to settle with visiting the premiere event of the Boy Scouts of America.

    By wearing your uniform correctly, you show others that the Jamboree is a special event and you were a proud part of it!!

    We hope that you had a safe trip to and from the Jamboree and that you had a great time at the Jamboree. Here's hoping to seeing you in 2010 "At the Hill for the last time!"

    Settummanque!
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby smtroop168 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:39 pm

Wow...I'd just keep mine in mint condition so I could get big bucks for them in 2080. :)
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby FieldSports » Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:08 pm

Where does one get an "official BSA policy" copy of the "supplement" to the Insignia Guide used above?

I did not find it on the National Site and no one at National knew what I was asking for. (Not surprised) :wink:

The Insignia Guide stated regarding Regional Patch:

This insignia is reserved for regional officers, regional committee members, local council professional Scouters, and national staff with a regional responsibility and is worn on the right sleeve in position 2. Adult regional world and national jamboree contingent staff and leaders may wear the insignia only during their assignment at the jamboree. The same rule applies to specifically designed regional insignia for a national event.

The post above stated it could be worn for six months after. Which is correct?
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby FrankJ » Thu Aug 19, 2010 10:30 pm

Where does one get an "official BSA policy" copy of the "supplement" to the Insignia Guide used above?


It is on the scouting.org website. The link is up about 3-4 posts.
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Re: Can you wear the Jamboree rockers on your normal uniform?

Postby FieldSports » Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:37 pm

Frank,

I must missing something.

The links by "philpish" is to an offical BSA site and does NOT have the cited supplemental information (unless I am missing it).

The link by "rwsmith" is to a nonofficial site, but it says it is from a supplemental BSA document. It does NOT provide the source document.

I was wondering where the source supplemental document is given it contradicts the published information. Does anyone have the BSA document number for this supplemental information?
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