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Switchback Pants - Official Uniform??

Postby WVBeaver05 » Wed May 21, 2008 9:37 pm

Here is a question for you all.

Are Scouts (or Scouters) wearing the current Switchback pants in an official Scout uniform? (Assuming that they also have on Scout socks, a Scout belt, and a Scout shirt, etc.)

It is a question that has come up on at least 2 occasions in our Council and there are groups of people supporting each position.

I'll not give my side until after I hear from some of you. So, let me know your thoughts (and reasons).

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Postby wagionvigil » Wed May 21, 2008 9:40 pm

Yes They are now the pants and the last time I checked they are sold by BSA.

Man Those turkeys from WV need a reality Check :twisted:

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Postby pipestone1991 » Wed May 21, 2008 9:55 pm

Yeah they are. In August they are releasing the new "Official" pants which are the same with just a hunter green finish.
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Postby joat » Thu May 22, 2008 12:12 pm

From the official Scoutstuff website: "Switchbacks™ Official Uniform Pants, Youth & Men". http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/Ite ... tem=900SBP
Personal opionions to the contrary are great, but where does BSA say anywhere that Switchbacks are not official uniform pants??
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Postby goetzjam » Wed May 28, 2008 6:36 pm

they are the official pants, they are looking into a whole new uniform starting August 2008
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Postby FrankJ » Wed May 28, 2008 8:54 pm

Looks like it 5-0 that they are official uniform. What are the other opinions Wayne?

Our troop strongly pushes scouts in uniform. I am happy when they show up in socks, pants. shirt, & belt. The last thing I am going to tell a scout (or parent) that they need two different pair of pants.
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Postby wagionvigil » Wed May 28, 2008 9:02 pm

The Switchback is the only pants /Shorts BSA is going to offer unless you want to buy the Wool blend Dry CLean Only Pants.THe New pants are just a second generation Switchback
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Postby WVBeaver05 » Wed May 28, 2008 11:01 pm

Ok. I was hoping for more opinions, but here goes.

To me, it always seemed clear that the switchback pants were official. In a presentation at our local Commissioner's College by a Regional representative, he confirmed that they are an official uniform.

The opposing opinions that I have been given are:

They are "Class B" pants. (First, there is no such thing officially as Class B - only Field and Activity. Second, or Regional guy specifically stated that Official BSA pants are the only uniform pants made.)

The uniform inspection form doesn't show them. (Forms predate the switchbacks and don't exclude them. Just refers to uniform shorts or pants.)

"They just can't be - they aren't like uniform pants are supposed to be. (<exasperated!> The pants you are refering to aren't like the previous ones either!!)

Some people are harder to convince than others!!

Thanks for you input. Any more??

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Postby riverwalk » Thu May 29, 2008 12:00 am

Yes agreed, they are Official.
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Postby FrankJ » Thu May 29, 2008 6:57 am

They are "Class B" pants. (First, there is no such thing officially as Class B - only Field and Activity. Second, or Regional guy specifically stated that Official BSA pants are the only uniform pants made.)


A funny thought process since as you said BSA does not recognize the class B terminology
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Postby Nuts4Scouts » Thu May 29, 2008 10:04 am

This is not really a matter of an opinion one way or another.

BSA has stated that switchbacks are official uniform pants. Period. End of discussion.
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Re: Switchback Pants - Official Uniform??

Postby mhjacobson » Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:24 pm

AQnd ethe new uniform pants are ONLY switch backs no matter which type of fabric you purchase. That should end the discussion.
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Re: Switchback Pants - Official Uniform??

Postby Hubert » Sun Jul 27, 2008 2:27 pm

I personally like the switchbacks. They are awsome pants that I can just un-zip the legs a little when working on the ranges if I get too hot.

Does anyone know if Venturing plans on making some? I love the material the Venturing pants are made out of, is it possible to make them switchbacks and still be made the same?
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Re: Switchback Pants - Official Uniform??

Postby wagionvigil » Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:29 pm

Soon to come! :)
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Re: Switchback Pants - Official Uniform??

Postby Bill Pitcher » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:08 pm

I hope they are improving the "switchbacks!" We find that the lower leg zippers break, and that there isn't enough "hook & Loop" fabric on the pockets. Wallets, pocket knives, compasses, etc. fall out of the rear and bellows pockets. Anyone else have a similar problem?
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Re: Switchback Pants - Official Uniform??

Postby wagionvigil » Mon Jul 28, 2008 7:28 am

I donot think there are lower zippers as the pants are unhemmed. So the scouts and leaders must get them hemmed before using them.
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Re: Switchback Pants - Official Uniform??

Postby Bill Pitcher » Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:19 pm

Then that means that we will have to take our boots/hiking shoes off first when converting to shorts? Booooo!
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Re: Switchback Pants - Official Uniform??

Postby Billiken » Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:49 am

wagionvigil wrote:I do not think there are lower zippers as the pants are unhemmed. So the scouts and leaders must get them hemmed before using them.


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Re: Switchback Pants - Official Uniform??

Postby Bill Pitcher » Tue Jul 29, 2008 5:17 pm

Gee, I'm 6'5" with a 38 waist and 34 inseam and the current switchbacks fit perfectly! I do agree that the belt is too narrow and the pocket closures are horrible. Hope they see a fix on the new ones!
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Re: Switchback Pants - Official Uniform??

Postby kwildman » Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:33 am

the nylon belt is worthless...it is tacked in by a couple of stitches inside the waist band. Snip these stiches and the whole belt comes out and you can use your normal scout belt or a leather belt.

I don't mind having to take my boots off to convert the pants. The un-hemmed version will allow some of us w/ odd inseams to get a more tailored fit. I see a lot of ragged looking switchbacks because people walk on the pants because they are too long.
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