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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 07:28 am Post subject: BSA Uniforms
On the
www.scouting.org site there is a survey about uniforms.
The big question is should we have one uniform for everything
and just use different collar shoulder tabs? Take a look at it
and fill it out
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 07:43 am Post subject:
That would be the most logical change to make...
I think many people don't recognize the venture uniforms as
part of the boy scouts due to the fact that they recognize the
tan uniforms of the boy scouts and the blue cub scout
uniforms.
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Buffalo Bill
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 01:16 pm Post subject:
I think the fact that Venturers can choose their uniform or
have no uniform at all can contribute to the identification
problem.
It's been 25 years with this Oscar de la Renta combo, probably
time for a logical change.
Maybe some uniformity in uniforms would help the movement...
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Guneukitschik
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 01:51 pm Post subject:
I think a change in the uniform would take years to take
effect... most scouts are not going to run out and drop 30+
bucks for a new uniform shirt unless they've outgrown the old
one!
Maybe if the come up with a new uniform they could have a
discounted rate at first to help more scouts make the switch.
I still know some older leaders that are wearing the old olive
green uniform shirts.
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 01:56 pm Post subject:
Guneukitschik wrote:
I still know some older leaders that are wearing the old
olive green uniform shirts.
And, unless and until National makes a change in policy, any
official BSA uniform ever issued --ever-- is still (for lack
of a better word) "legal."
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wagionvigil
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 02:03 pm Post subject:
The only scouts that would be affected ARe Cubs and Ventures.
As Far as Ventures choosing a uniform the only time a Real
Uniform is needed is for Like Next Years National Scout
Jamboree and Any Venturer on staff MUST have a Class A Uniform
(complete) Shirt Shorts Socks
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 02:24 pm Post subject:
Maybe if National would just keep all the shorts/pants the
same at least that way...something would be interchangable.
Although I like the idea of the tan shirts with the different
colored epaulets.
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Buffalo Bill
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 02:26 pm Post subject:
You are probably right that the additional cost would be a
detriment, but they had to change them before. Folks then
weren't too happy about the cost.
Since we can wear any of the old uniforms a simple phase in
wouldn't hurt. Stop selling the old uniforms after stock
depletion and continue the wearing of the old and new until
the old is phased out through attrition.
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 02:31 pm Post subject:
I do remember when they got rid of the knee socks and then
everyone complained and they reappeared in the catalog....
I don't see the red barret making a come back....although it
made a sharp looking flag ceremony colorguard
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Buffalo Bill
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 02:41 pm Post subject:
Ahh, but you can still get the red berets! Saw a Troop with
them last year, looked sharp. All the boys in full Class A
complete with belts and socks. and all wearing berets.
Impressed this old Buffalope.
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Guneukitschik
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 02:44 pm Post subject:
I doubt they were the official BSA one's with the
Fluer-de-leis patch on the front. But they do look
sharp....kind of militarish..but sharp!
I guess you could make it your official Troop headgear and buy
the berrets from a supplier somewhere?
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Buffalo Bill
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 02:54 pm Post subject:
I think they had some FDLs made and sewn/glued on the berets.
Be careful though, if they come from a military source the
self-appointed BSA uniform police will get you! You might want
to make sure the source doesn't contract with the military.
Easiest way to avoid the majority of the conflict. I am sure
that some will still find fault and berate you (get it
"berate"--oh I kill myself!).
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Posted: 11 Aug 2004 04:02 pm Post subject:
WHen I was a staff member 35 years ago ALl staff had campaign
hats now very few wear them as they are expensive. They at one
time sold the leather band separately but I guess too many
people were buying hats elsewear and not from the BSA. The old
Scout caps (those with military background know what they are
called) were OK but times have changed. A quality trail hat
would fit the ticket.Like Columbias or OR's they are useful.
The Berets were and are classy but extremely hot . I do not
know how the military wear them in the Hot weather. AS far as
the Uniform Police We all know what is correct uniforming but
still many choose to go their own way. If a troop would show
up with Pink shirts and Bright Green shorts all the camo guys
would be having a stroke. I spent three years as lodge advisor
and during those three years we eliminated camo at lodge
weekends except when working(cheerful service) They were not
permitted to wear any camo with anything that was part of the
BSA Uniform. This worked. The Youth still wore their camo and
still wore their Uniforms. What prompted this was just before
I was Lodge Advisor a new ordeals parents were very reluctant
to leave their young son at a weekend to take his Ordeal with
all the Guys in Camo around . Now when a new Ordeal Shows up
everyone they are in contact with are in Class A Uniforms.
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Posted: 13 Aug 2004 07:52 am Post subject:
I still think the fact that Venturing does not use Uniforms as
one of its methods contributes to the identity problem. Even
the emblem lacks anything associating it with BSA.
It appears odd to me that if one uses the natural progression
argument that I've heard numerous times; Cubs--Boy
Scouts--Venturing, that uniforms would remain a logical
method.
It's as if the corporation has decided to forsake the
uniforming method in order to attract more fringe elements
that would not join if that were one of the methods.
Don't get me wrong, Venturing is a fine program. There are
just certain elements I don't understand the real logic
behind.
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Posted: 13 Aug 2004 08:51 am Post subject:
Not only is it logical to continue using uniforms simply
because it's a continuation of the program, failing to use
uniforms goes against the well known social concepts the BSA
has always been so good at acknowledging and using to their
advantage.
Back to the basics: Boy Scout troops are nothing but gangs of
boys with positive guidance (actually BSA philosophy!!). All
gangs identify themselves in some way. Street gangs refer to
it as colors. A Scout's colors are his uniform. Simple stuff
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