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Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby SMTroop240 » Thu May 07, 2009 9:02 am

Last night I had a crew CC tell me that his crew leaders would not attend venturing roundtables because they didn't want to file a tour permit each month.

Where do they come up with these things?
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby FrankJ » Thu May 07, 2009 11:10 am

If I was in that crew, I would take it to be a clear sign that I needed to change crews. :roll:

I wonder if they pull a tour permit to go the the service center to pull tour permits?
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby smtroop168 » Thu May 07, 2009 11:16 am

They are obviously making excuses. Either that or they have Lyme Disease.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby evmori » Thu May 07, 2009 2:57 pm

Now that is just silly!
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby ThunderingWind » Thu May 07, 2009 5:19 pm

SMTroop240 wrote:Last night I had a crew CC tell me that his crew leaders would not attend venturing roundtables because they didn't want to file a tour permit each month.

Where do they come up with these things?
Maybe.....just maybe.....he was thinking about the youth that attend sometimes.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby smtroop168 » Thu May 07, 2009 5:23 pm

ThunderingWind wrote:
SMTroop240 wrote:Last night I had a crew CC tell me that his crew leaders would not attend venturing roundtables because they didn't want to file a tour permit each month.

Where do they come up with these things?
Maybe.....just maybe.....he was thinking about the youth that attend sometimes.


So what? TP still not required.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby FieldSports » Thu May 07, 2009 6:28 pm

Why is that so silly :?: TP is for any trip away from the home meeting site. RT is not their home meeting site. Why the exception for RT? and if so, are there other exceptions?

However, tell them to file a TP with 12 meeting dates at the same site. Then they are only filing once a year.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby wagionvigil » Thu May 07, 2009 7:36 pm

Any council or district function or activity is exempt. AT least in most councils as is travel to your own councils summer camp.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby scoutaholic » Thu May 07, 2009 7:42 pm

wagionvigil wrote:Any council or district function or activity is exempt. AT least in most councils as is travel to your own councils summer camp.


Not 'round here. We check tour permits when troops check-in at district camps.

Never heard any mention of them not being needed for district/council functions.

TP#s are required on the application for the council Year-Round-Camping award (camp in 10 months of the year, including at least 1 long-term camp). If there were no TP for district/council camps, then there would be 4 camps each year without TP# for the award application.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby wagionvigil » Thu May 07, 2009 7:49 pm

You guys out west need to travel a lot furthur than us easterners. Our council does not require a TP for what I mentioned. You are preregistered to be there so they know you have to get there.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby smtroop168 » Thu May 07, 2009 8:33 pm

You follow your council rules. I'd be very surprised if the council required TP to go to R/Ts. If we had to have TPs attendance would be less than zero

The on-line TP system will allow a Camporee coordinator to dump a listing of approved TPs before the event

The Summer Camp we are attending only requires TP from OOC troops.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby evmori » Fri May 08, 2009 7:12 am

wagionvigil wrote:Any council or district function or activity is exempt. AT least in most councils as is travel to your own councils summer camp.


While I agree RT is exempt, summer camp & district camporees are not.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby wagionvigil » Fri May 08, 2009 7:19 am

As we are seeing each council can alter the rules. Should they all be standard? or should each council be permitted to exempt certain activities

Ed does your council enforce that? I certainly doubt it as When tod they need one to come to the cave you would think we asked them for a million dollars or you get, what is that? Seriously!
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby ThunderingWind » Fri May 08, 2009 8:40 am

smtroop168 wrote:So what? TP still not required.
True, however, some CO's, the CO's Lawyers's and the CO's Insurance add an additional layer of requirements for YP.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby FrankJ » Fri May 08, 2009 9:11 am

If I were to answer this question in a serious way, I would tell him that round table is not a unit activity & so in no way would require a tour permit.

The only reason for a tour permit is to insure you are running outings in a safe way & following BSA policies. When you start filing them or requiring them for paper works sake, then you are going down the wrong path.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby kwildman » Fri May 08, 2009 12:41 pm

we typically do not have a lot of youth at our roundtables. If they are not traveling as a unit then there is no need for a tour permit.

Our council does not require TPs for district or council events if you pre-register.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby evmori » Fri May 08, 2009 10:19 pm

wagionvigil wrote:As we are seeing each council can alter the rules. Should they all be standard? or should each council be permitted to exempt certain activities

Ed does your council enforce that? I certainly doubt it as When tod they need one to come to the cave you would think we asked them for a million dollars or you get, what is that? Seriously!


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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby SMTroop240 » Wed May 20, 2009 12:46 pm

Well, the verdict is in from our Council SE, and tour permits are going to be required for youth scouters to attend roundtables under the following conditions:

1. If the Youth Scouters are traveling to the Round Table as a group representing a particular troop, crew or ship.
2. If they are driving themselves and representing a particular troop, crew or ship.

If they are driven by a parent or legal guardian, if they walk, or take public transportation no tour permit will be required.

We actively encourage the youth leaders of our crews and ships to attend the monthly Venturing Round Table, and target the training portion of the RT towards them. They also help set the training agenda and the schedule of venturing events for the district at our June round table.

My guess is that this requirement will be sumarily ignored, or used as an excuse not to attend.
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby evmori » Wed May 20, 2009 1:58 pm

SMTroop240 wrote:Well, the verdict is in from our Council SE, and tour permits are going to be required for youth scouters to attend roundtables under the following conditions:

1. If the Youth Scouters are traveling to the Round Table as a group representing a particular troop, crew or ship.
2. If they are driving themselves and representing a particular troop, crew or ship.

If they are driven by a parent or legal guardian, if they walk, or take public transportation no tour permit will be required.

We actively encourage the youth leaders of our crews and ships to attend the monthly Venturing Round Table, and target the training portion of the RT towards them. They also help set the training agenda and the schedule of venturing events for the district at our June round table.

My guess is that this requirement will be sumarily ignored, or used as an excuse not to attend.


What's the difference how they get there? Sounds like someone is trying to get eliminate the youth from attending Venturing Round Table :oops:
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Re: Tour Permit to attend Roundtable

Postby FrankJ » Wed May 20, 2009 2:00 pm

Well, the verdict is in from our Council SE, and tour permits are going to be required for youth scouters to attend roundtables under the following conditions:


What a waste of every bodies time. And we wonder why people avoid tour permits?

I can see and support requiring tour permit for activities that carry risk or significant driving. But requiring TPs for clearly authorized activities just encourages people to ignore the rules.
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